AMAZING NANCY GRACE
All right. I freely admit I have never watched Nancy Grace
on CNN. If her March 27th
segment is indicative of the way she handles news, it is unlikely that I ever
would give her any attention. Below is
an analysis of the transcript of that program, the subject matter of which will
be self-explanatory.
GRACE: A well-respected and
much beloved minister in the
I want to go to pastor Tom Rukala, joining us tonight, a special guest, a Baptist
minister. I’ve been researching the
Whoa!
What is the meaning of this? Why
would someone interview a Baptist about us?
Would not one of our preachers be a more likely person to have a
conversation with about this tragedy? When
Henry
Lyons, the leader of the National Baptist Convention,
BAPTIST PASTOR TOM RUKALA: Well, the
Obviously, Pastor
Tom does research about as thoroughly as Nancy Grace. He might have said that the
Thomas Campbell
(Alexander’s father) came to
Alexander Campbell
is, perhaps, the most well-known of those who attempted to return to the New
Testament and abide by its teachings (as opposed to manmade doctrines), but he
was certainly not the first. He did
publish The Christian Baptist and The Millennial Harbinger for decades,
and many people of various denominations read them. He also had five significant debates: two
with Baptists, one with the Presbyterian, N. L. Rice, a Roman Catholic, and the
atheist Robert Owen. These debates
generated a tremendous amount of influence and are well worth reading. Camp-bell also founded
As great as he
was, however, there is one thing that
PASTOR TOM RUKALA: And it’s, unfortunately, a very legalistic
sect, and they tend to use methods of intimidation and pressure tactics. They
claim that they are the only ones going to heaven, and all other people are
condemned to hell.
Obviously, Pastor
Tom has had his head stuck in the sand for 40 years and knows absolutely
nothing more than what some of our enemies were saying then. Perhaps he could provide one piece of
documentation where anyone of us has ever said that we are the only ones going
to heaven. There is a simple reason why
we never say such words—we are not the judge; Christ is (John
For example, Jesus
did not say, “If you follow Buddha, you are lost.” He did say, “I am the way, the truth, and the
life. No one comes to the Father except through Me”
(John 14:6). So if you’re a Buddhist,
what does that tell you? Buddhists
understand that they are lost through proper reasoning. Likewise, on the Day of Pentecost, Peter told
those who sinned, “Repent and be baptized…” (Acts
Furthermore, Pastor Tom has probably hurt
the feelings of Max Lucado, Rubel Shelly, and most
ACU professors, who have worked so hard to fight against the “legalistic”
image. In fact, they have tried to
change the image of the
Are we legalistic? To be honest, we do subscribe to some pretty
rigid teachings, which are listed below:
We believe that one cannot just call Jesus,
“Lord,” in order to be saved; he must do the will of the Father.
We believe that if people love Jesus, they
will keep His commandments.
We believe that faith without works is
dead.
Do those sound legalistic? The first two were taught by Jesus personally
(Matt.
The charge about using intimidation and
pressure tactics is absurd. Mr. Rukala possesses no sense of shame whatsoever. Nancy Grace, however, has not heard enough
defamation of character and slander. She
asks her guest, “What more can you tell me?”
PASTOR TOM RUKALA: Well, they claim that if
you’re not baptized by one of their ministers, that you’re doomed to hell—even
if you’re a believer in Jesus Christ, which, of course, breaks completely from
the traditional Christian view that all those who call upon the name of the
Lord Jesus Christ will be saved because we’re saved by grace through faith in
Jesus Christ, who died for our sins and rose again.
Rukala is not
only 40 years out of date; he has stooped to making things up as regards being
baptized by one of “our ministers.” If
he knew his history better, he would know that Alexander Campbell (whose name
he brought up) was baptized by a Baptist preacher. If he knew even the slightest thing about us,
he would know that oftentimes ministers do not even do the baptizing. Oftentimes, a father or grandfather will
baptize someone, or it may be a member of the church who taught an individual
the truth. In fact, both of those recently
occurred here. Eric Winningham was
baptized by his grandfather, Carl Faires, and more recently Nathan Lipps was baptized by Geoff Rowe. Pastor Tom has provided inaccurate
information for CNN viewers.
Furthermore, baptism
by immersion did not originate with Alexander Campbell. Dabney Phillips
wrote in Restoration Principles and
Personalities:
It has been established that in 1669,
during the reign of Charles II, there were eight congregations of the Lord’s
Church in
But
we can go way beyond 1669 to show that baptism is by immersion; Acts
He is also wrong to imply that salvation
is granted at the point of faith only.
People are saved by grace, as well as by faith—but not by grace only or
faith only—which would exclude repentance and baptism, which Peter taught were
necessary (Acts
PASTOR TOM RUKALA: For the
Jesus is the one who talked about entering
in by the narrow gate and walking in the narrow path. Does Rukala want to
take issue with the Lord (Matt.
GRACE: You know, Pastor, you keep saying
“sect.” “Sect.” You make it sound like a cult.
PASTOR TOM RUKALA: It’s kind of a
borderline cult, unfortunately. I don’t want to make it out to be some kind of Hare
Krishna group. But it has cult-like characteristics and…
GRACE: In what sense?
PASTOR TOM RUKALA: Well, in the sense of exclusivism, the attitude that they are the only ones who
know the truth. The tactics that they use are sometimes just—not only un-Biblical
but unethical, and they can be very ungracious, unfortunately.
Ungracious? Like taking cheap shots at people who have no
opportunity to defend themselves? Pastor
Tom is the ungracious one, unfortunately.
The Lord’s Church has a long history of
being called names, beginning in the first century. Those who know the Bible will recall that,
when Paul arrived at
Grace should have asked: “Isn’t the
Sooner or later, judging by his negative
attitude toward us, it was inevitable that he would trot out the C word,
accusing us of being a cult. This
inaccuracy has already been dealt with (see February 26th Spiritual Perspectives). At least Grace had the good sense to ask Rukala to explain himself; his answer is both vague and
deficient. What about this “sense of exclusivism”?
We are no more exclusive than Jesus, who
invited all: “Come to Me, all you who labor and are
heavy laden, and I will give you rest” (Matt.
The charge about being the only ones who
know the truth is nonsense, and he knows it.
Do Baptists have the truth about Jesus being the Son of God, being born
of a virgin, or being resurrected from the dead? Does that make them the only ones who know the
truth? Yes, we believe that what we
teach and practice is the truth; is there any religious group that is willing
to admit that they intentionally teach and practice error? And what tactics do we
use that are un-Biblical and unethical—asking people to read the Bible and to
reason?
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